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  Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

  " in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

  is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

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  Yes, they have admitted in print that they are not inspired and not always right;

  “… the “faithful and discreet slave” has alerted all of God’s people to the sign of the times indicating the nearness of God’s Kingdom rule. In this regard, however, it must be observed that this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect.” (Watchtower, March 1, 1979, page 23).

  “Jehovah’s Witnesses today … do not claim that this slave class is infallible” (Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 1993, page 626).

  That however is not rellevant, because THEY MUST BE TREATED AS IF THEY WERE;

  “It is vital that we … respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God.” (Watchtower, June 15, 1957, page 371).

  “To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization ... Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.” (Watchtower, May 1, 1959, page 269).

  “… a mature Christian … does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by ... “the faithful and discreet slave.”” (Watchtower, August 1, 2001, page 14).
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  Well, I thought they were funny.

  by Ultimate Axiom in

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  like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

  church car park sign... “for members only.

  trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

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  Like many others, our local Church produces a newsletter. In it were the following;

  Church car park sign... “For Members Only. Trespassers will be baptised”.

  A Sunday school teacher asked, “Johnny, do you think Noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the Ark?” “No,” replied Johnny, “How could he, with just two worms?”
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  Why are JWs so sensitive to criticism?

  by Half banana in

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  i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.

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  I’m not entirely sure the average Dub is so sensitive to criticism, at least that’s not been my experience of late. Mind you, I don’t get to see them much these days, I haven’t had a call in about three years. But one thing’s for certain, the GB are on a par with the Muslims when it comes to sensitivity to it. And you can see they would go apoplectic if you were to hold their TV performances up to ridicule.
  
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  Why are JWs so sensitive to criticism?

  by Half banana in

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  i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.

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  Try mocking Islam to even an even unbelieving Moslem and the result will be different still.
  
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  How can anyone who is truly spiritual-minded attend Bethel and not realize it's all a scam

  by sosoconfused in

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  not that i was any better(lol - but as i sat back and thought about the time i spent there, and the things i saw i feel disgusted.. i could literally write a thousand stories about the discrimination, favortism and all out dishonest that took place but i doubt anyone would actually care.

  the one thing however that really sticks out in my mind is when i was in a nice room with my roommate that he kind of inherited after his previous roommate left.

  it actually had a bathroom and we both had space for real beds(not those dang trundle beds like we had in standish).. .

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  If anyone reading this thread hasn't already done so, I would strongly recommend reading this one: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/Warren-Schroeder-from-Bethel-on-Freddy-Kline-and-the-apostate-books And even though many continued as JWs after their Bethel experience, they were never the same again.
  
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  It was never, ever, a warning work, was it?

  by jambon1 in

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  most witnesses i knew were exteeemly reluctant to go out in the ministry.

  but when they did, they were simply scraping by, eager to avoid conflict and just do their hour or so speaking to lonely old ladies or widowed old men.

  placing magazines in a car group, doing route calls, plodding along in the utter boredom of their responsibility to get some time on a report by the last day of the month.. this was never a warning work.

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  I can concur with snugglebunny. In the early 70s we certainly did believe we were doing a vital warning work, and our field service rendezvous points were usually pretty well attended every day, and quite a lot of us were very zealous about the message we had and the role we thought we played. Once I saw through the nonsense of passages like 2 Peter 3:9 it did become merely a matter of putting in the time. And in my last year I quite often didn’t even bother knocking on the door. When I could get away with it I just pretended I did, waited a suitable time, and then moved on. Whether those today feel they are doing a vital warning work I can’t say, but the evidence is they don’t. But do they actually believe the end is near? My sister certainly did, and in her last days of cancer treatment last year, her greatest disappointment was that she would not live to see the “signs in the sun and the moon” that were coming so soon .
  
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  How to Get More From Reading Your Bible

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  How to Get More From Reading Your Bible

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  How to Get More From Reading Your Bible

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  Political Correctness

  by snugglebunny in

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  i think i'm just ornery when it comes to equality.

  ever since i can remember, i've always believed that all people were created equal.

  the colour of a person's skin is irrelevent to me.

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  It’s funny how PC changes over the years. I have a female friend in her early eighties who won’t call black people “black”. In her day that was like calling a black person a nigger, so she uses “coloured” instead as that was the PC word when she was young. I agree that there are many cases where PC has gone too far, in some cases absurdly so, but that doesn’t make the fundamental principles of PC invalid (which I think was OC's point). As with most things there are always going to be dick heads who will go to extremes, and in the PC cases it’s likely because they want to show-off how liberal and fair minded they are.

  In a similar vein, I despise the way you cannot criticise Israel without being accused of being anti-Semitic, or say that you can’t stand Louie Spence without being accused of being homophobic, or say you can’t stand the Indian caste culture without being accused of being racist.